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Breeder Posted: 2 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
Hey All,

I have a question - does anyone know anything about "Little Patch of Heaven" breeders in Airdrie? My friend is planning on getting a dog from there and if anyone has had any experiences I'd love to know so that I can share them with her.

If you've had a negative experience and don't think someone should get a dog from there, just simply let me know that. I don't want this to turn into a thread bashing anyone or anything. Thanks!
 
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Re:Breeder Posted: 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 3  
What breed(s) of dogs do they specialize in? I couldn't find an on-line listing for them. I know there are breeders out there who breed several types of dogs, but I'd be wary of kennels that have umpteen varieties. Not saying these guys do, but I cannot find any info on them. You should be able to get a good feel for the place by visiting them. Ask to get a tour of the facility/home where the dogs stay, ask to see the parents, ask lots of questions. See if you can get the names of a few people who have purchased puppies from them (they may not want to give you this info) and call them to see if the dogs they bought have had any issues. If the folks who run the kennel don't want to answer questions, or if they do not allow you access to the facility, then you can draw your own conclusions.
 
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Re:Breeder Posted: 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
Thanks!

They specialize in Goldendoodles. I know my friend has gone out to see them and they seemed decent - but I definitely like the idea of calling other people who purchased from them. I'm not a breeder person (we have a mutt) so I'm always wary.

Thanks again!
 
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Re:Breeder Posted: 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
I think I found their website. It is http://www.lpoh.net/.
I am not going to comment on them as I don't have any experience with them.
 
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Re:Breeder Posted: 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 2  
The big thing is make sure they read the contract (and there should be one) and ask lots of questions, there are a few threads about what exactly a good breeder consists of and it's basically one that is not breeding (strictly) for profit, who is willing to take the time to talk to you any time, you have access to the mum, dad if possible, are the dogs housed in home (like 4shelties4me) or in kennels, the list goes on and on.
Ironically, you are not a "breeder" person who has mutts and yet that is what they are getting! (not a fan of designer breeds)
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Re:Breeder Posted: 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 6  
I will freely admit knowing almost nothing about breeding, but what I wonder about is they show one female having the pups and mention litters being Dec '07, Apr '08, Fall '08. Isn't that a lot of pups for one female? They also make no mention of how long they have been breeders (the female is 3 according to the site) and the site is dated '07. That would seem to me to mean there may not be a lot of owners around at this point so it may be hard to find out much. What really bugs me though is how often that female has been pregnant. Do other reputable breeders breed their females that frequently?
 
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Re:Breeder Posted: 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 2  
From the look of their site it appears that they have a female golden that they are breeding to someone's standard poodle. And they are breeding her every heat.

The information they provide in their FAQ section is a bit too one sided. They don't say that the breed can be on the hyper side and some will shed just like a golden rather than a poodle. They require quite a bit of grooming... more if they are more like a poodle. 45lbs is on the small side. I have seen some that have been 120lbs. They can be very large dogs.

As with all things... Buyer beware.
 
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Re:Breeder Posted: 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
Sounds fishy to me.
When people are looking for a pet you dont call the mother and father 'stock'.
The site is very minimal aswell, nothing is said about problems of the 'breed'. Mutts still have problems!

The website also sounds like all they care about is popping out more puppies rather than the welfare of the dogs. You NEVER should breed a bitch with every heat. Thats terrible.
 
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Re:Breeder Posted: 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 3  
Golden doodle (or whatever they are called) is not a breed. It is a fancy term for mutt. Expensive mutt.

If I were to do the puppy thing all over again I would be going to a responsible breeder who has interest in making progress in their breed not necessarily money.

If you want to get a mutt puppy go to your local shelter and put yourself on a list. You will pay around $200 but that will come with everything...shots worming and probably a discount spay/neuter.

I own a mutt and a purebred.

Guardian (my mutt) was a "free" dog from a farm. He was 5 weeks old and someone wanted to kill him.

Lorelei is a purebred. My mom got her from a breeder when she was 8.5 weeks old. Although I will admit I think the breeder was a loon for selling to my mother. She has not been the worse breeder though, as she has remained in contact with me and checks up on Lorelei on a regular basis. She has even offered to board Lorelei and Guardian when I go away.
 
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Re:Breeder Posted: 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 8  
When I was looking for a Lab breeder, I was armed with a major checklist.

I agree w/GuardianPeggy, i.e., what goals does the breeder have with the breeding program and how does the breeder go about to achieve this? This was one of the first things on my list:

1) What is their goal in breeding? Is their goal consistent with your vision of an ideal pet? If they are breeding for "health and temperament," have them explain exactly what they mean. Their idea of ideal temperament and yours may differ dramatically. If their goal is to produce their next show dog, have them explain how that will translate into a good pet for you. Ear-set and tail carriage mean nothing if the dog they produces bites your children or dies of cancer before his fifth birthday.

2) What are the congenital defects in this breed? The breeder who says "none" or "I don't know" is to be avoided. That's a person who's not screening for what she doesn't know about, and you don't want to pay the price for her ignorance.
i) Hip dysplasia
ii) knee problems (luxating patella) is a common occurrence in the knee where the leg is often bow shaped
iii) Eye problems are also possible in some Labs, particularly progressive retinal atrophy, cataracts, corneal dystrophy and retinal dysplasia. Dogs which are intended to be bred should be examined by a veterinary ophthalmologist for an eye score.
iv) Hereditary myopathy, a rare inherited disorder that causes a deficiency in type II muscle fibre.

3) What steps have you taken to decrease defects in your dogs? You want to hear words like ‘screened’, ‘tested’ and ‘certified’.

4) What health tests have been done on BOTH parents of the litter? In breeds with the potential for hip dysplasia - that's almost every large breed -- look for PennHIP or Orthopedic Foundation for Animals certification. These are expert, unbiased evaluators who know exactly what to look for. Insist on documentation on both parents. And their parents, too. Any breed should have hips (OFA or PennHip) eyes (CERF) and ideally thyroid. Then is up to you as potential buyer to know what other tests the breed you are looking at should have. The breeder should be able to show documentations of all tests. Do not blindly accept their word – some dishonest breeders will lie and say all tests have been done. Are the breeder's dogs screened for genetic health defects like hip dysplasia, eye disorders, hypothyroidism, Von Willebrand's disease, epilepsy, cardiac conditions, and anything else that is common in the breed? Can they provide you with proof, e.g., CERF and OFA certification and other relevant veterinary documentation? A good breeder will welcome your concerns and be glad to offer the requested information - beware of anyone who is defensive! An excellent breeder will candidly discuss the health of their line of dogs, including the problems that have cropped up. Even good breeders can produce unhealthy dogs on occasion. The difference is that the good breeder is on a mission to find and remove those genetic influences from their breeding lines. The irresponsible breeder approaches health in a haphazard manner.

5) What does the breeder feel are the strengths and weaknesses in the breed and the breeder's program?

6) Personality and/or history of breed?

7) Do you have the parents on site? May I see them? This is a bit of a trick question. You should always be able to see the mother -- unless she died giving birth -- but reputable breeders often don't have the father on hand. That's because the best match for any particular dog may be owned by another breeder, and the female was sent away for breeding.

8) What guarantees do you provide? You want to see a contract explaining the breeder's responsibilities should the puppy develop a congenital ailment. In most cases, such contracts state either replacement with a new puppy or refunding of your purchase price. Read and discuss the paperwork with the breeder. The best breeders offer contracts that protect not only the buyer and seller, but also the most vulnerable part of the transaction: the puppy. The contract also states your responsibilities, such as neutering your pet. You may also be required to return the dog to the breeder if you can no longer keep him. Such language is the sign of a concerned and responsible breeder.

9) What does the breeder feed the puppies?

10) What inoculations have been given?

11) Can you get references of previous puppy buyers? This is a big one, especially if you're dealing with a breeder that isn't well-known.

12) Can you have your own vet examine the puppy before you fully commit?

These are just a few things to keep in mind.
 
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